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onisillos's avatar

Flipping the association of theory of mind and autism makes so much more sense to me. This was really eye opening.

Told and Retold's avatar

Wow. Thanks for this. Brilliant work

Mark Brewer's avatar

As an ASD Behavioural specialist, this line is incredibly puzzling.

In professional psychology and autism research circles, ToM hasn't been taken seriously as a complete theory of autism since the early 2000s, when it was abandoned (in that capacity).

The consensus now is that Theory of Mind (ToM) difficulties can be a feature for some autistic people, but they do not explain autism as a whole.

Evidence showed many autistic people pass ToM tasks (sometimes even outperforming neurotypical peers when tests are better aligned to their communication style).

Not all social differences in autism are ToM-related — things like sensory processing, monotropism, predictive processing differences, and social motivation have their own roles.

ToM is not unique to autism — difficulties also appear in ADHD, schizophrenia, depression, and even in some neurotypical people under stress.

At most, you might find popular science books, journalists, or certain advocacy campaigns simplifying autism to “mindblindness” — but in peer-reviewed research and clinical training, no serious scholar treats ToM deficit as the definitive theory anymore.

Amelia Hicks's avatar

Thanks for your comment! I agree that in most serious research circles, ToM is no longer seen as a complete theory of autism. In fact, one of the key points we make in this series is that the ToM-deficit view of autism has been largely discredited. And yet, the ToM-deficit view continues to linger in some clinical training programs, popular culture, and even in some research circles. Another goal of the series is to explore how a largely discredited theory--like the ToM-deficit theory--can persist for so long in spite of poor empirical support. Several of the important points you raise come up in later episodes, so I hope you’ll keep listening!

Mark Brewer's avatar

Thank you for clarifying. I see now that your goal is to explore why the ToM-deficit account has stuck around despite being largely discredited in research circles. That’s a really important conversation, which I thank you for having!

As a behavioural specialist working with autistic people, I’d just encourage making that “this is no longer the consensus” point crystal clear early in each episode. Otherwise, it’s easy for the framing to sound like you’re dismantling a theory that’s still dominant in psychology, when in fact the debate is more about its persistence in outdated training materials, some clinical programmes, and popular culture.